I posted a couple of weeks ago about a compilation CD from Moscow in support of Alem Assefa. Well, here's an interview I did last year with Vova, one of the members of a band called Hoods Up 495, and the brains behind the compilation. Hoods Up 495 is political, anti-fascist hiphop/hardcore from Moscow... in other words, a bunch of very brave guys! Check out the interview, it's got some great information about the situation now and growing up in the Soviet Union...
In The Water: Greetings! Could you tell me something about Hoods Up 495?
Like where are you guys from, who are the members, where does the name come
from, and how would you describe your music?
Vova: Hey man! Thanx a ton for support and your interest in our band! We started this
band in spring 2006. There are two of us in the band - Ispectah Wreck and Daddy
Damage (me). The name speaks for itself: HOODS UP means something like get
ready, and 495 is a code of Moscow-city. We call our music circle pit hip hop
actually its some mix of hip-hop, hardcore-punk, ska, heavy-metal etc with
political antifascist lyrics.
Did you guys all play music before this band? I understand you were in some
punk bands in Moscow before... how was that experience?
Yeah, we played and still play in some punk bands, those who alive today are
Razor Bois (Oi!/ska-punk) and Frank Castle Gonna Break Your Neck! (hardcore in
the vein of Heresy, Urban Waste, SS Decontrol, Negative Approach etc). We also
were involved in setting up non-profit DIY gigs, doing some zines etc.
What is the punk scene in Moscow like? How has it changed in the past few years?
In my opinion, Russian punk scene is still weak, but it gets better slowly.
We still dont have enough bands that play real punk rock, most of them are just
trying to get easy money, playing some emo or other commercial bullshit. At the
same time suckers cant even imitate major emo-bands, their shit sounds even
worse. But the real problem is that most of Russian punk still feel OK to deal
with Nazis. I dont know any clubs around where the Nazis dont feel comfortable.
On the most of the gigs you may see groups of assholes parading around with
svastika tattoos, white power bands t-shirts. Nazi assholes often beat up other
kids.
At the same time, I can’t get why people go to the venues that allow Nazis to
come in.
You also may find in Russia such a phenomenon as nazi-punks. I remember times when I was a lil kid and some punks were trying to attack me because of my antifascist pins and patches. They
used to say that all real punks are Nazis. There were lots of nazi-punk bands
and bands that feel OK to share the stage and labels with them. There is a huge
nazi-label in Russia called KTR. It was formed by some assholes from the nazi-metal band Korrozia
Metalla which were extremely popular in this country for a long time. By the way, they got their sorry asses kicked by Napalm Death, when ND was touring Moscow.
KTR released lots of nazi bands, white power magazines and other shit. Its a
well known fact that they were always sponsored by different right-wing parties
Today, many of the bands that were on KTR for years pretend it has never
happened. Some of them even try to call themselves antifascist, because they
hope to tour some foreign countries and get some money Its ridiculous where was
their antifascism when they played on one gig with a pack of Nazis.
How about the hiphop scene?
Unfortunately, I cant say anything good about Russian hip-hop. Most if it is
some gangsta-wanna-be pathetic crap or some emotional pseudo-poetical
pretences. Lots of those rappers are also always happy to show their love to
some patriotic ideas and Christian church. Thats just ridiculous
How did you get the idea to do 'circle pit hip hop'; or mix some
parts of punk and hip hop together? Are you into both kinds of music?
Yeah, as I said, weve been into both hardcore and hip hop culture for long and
we were going to start such band for a long time.
You are an openly anti-fascist band, and very open about your politics. I
heard that the situation in Russia regarding Nazis and fascists skinheads is getting really really terrible these
days, with regular beatings and murders of minorities and anti-fascists? Could
you please tell me about this situation?
Youre right, situation is absolutely terrible. The main reasons are strong
right-wing government propaganda, very high level of peoples ignorance and
spineless position of the rest of the society. Last year there was a huge nazi
march in the centre of Moscow approved by the authorities. Its a pretty interesting fact that when some
antifascist activists set up a protest meeting on the way of the nazi march
they were arrested. Its such a usual situation here, antifascist actions get
stopped by the cops and participants get arrested and beaten up, while Nazis,
religious radicals, homophobes and other right-wing scum are free to voice
their opinion anytime anywhere.
I read about the violence at the recent attempt to have 'Pride day' in Moscow...
Yeah, Love Parade was officially denied by Moscow mayor and his corrupt-ass administration. There were lot of homophobic talking on TV and in papers Both Christian and Muslim leaders were calling their true
believers to go out and beat down the perverts. I’m not joking, those were
blatant calls for violence, nothing less! As we can see, those religious rivals
got so much in common actually. You know, attacks on gay clubs are usual in
this country. So on the day of Love Parade all the centre of the city was full
of Nazis and riot cops and there were no doubts that they are on the same sideI
think that our country showed its ugly fascist face to the whole world. I just
hope that nobody has any illusions about Russia now.
Is the situation worse in Moscow, or is it also in other places throughout the country?
It depends on the place. In Moscow and St Petersburg Nazis are more organized,
but at the same time in such big cities you may also find active antifascists,
while there are some small towns, which are in total control of some nazi
organization. You know, there are lots of officilal organizations and political
parties here, which are blatantly right-wing. Whose members are spreading
white-power propaganda, attacking people etc.
Have you guys been personally affected by this upsurge of the fascist movement
in Russia? Do you feel it is dangerous to be an openly anti-fascist band, and do you have
problems at your shows or anything?
You know, its dangerous here just to look different from the faceless human mass.
If you have a Mohawk, dreadlocks or just a punk-rock t-shirt you may get
attacked in the broad-day light as an enemy of the great Russian nation.
Our gigs were set up by us, so we had a facecontrol, trying to not let Nazis
in.
All our bands we play in are openly anti-fascist, so we got a lot of hatemail,
death-threats and shit, we were snitched by some friends for life who decided
that it would be more safe for them to change sides Anyway, fuck nazi shitheads
and their apolitical whores! They are nothing but a sub-scum and we dont give a
fuck about them...
Aside from the band, how do you, and how can you, confront this rise in
fascist shit?
I think that the main and, maybe, the only way to stop fascist disease is to
boycott everything and everybody who has anything in common with nazi crap.
Just dont go to the clubs that allow Nazis to come in and parade around with
svastika tattoos, dont buy anything from right-wing fucks, dont deal with
labels that release white-power bands, dont fucking shake hands with so called
right-wing persons. When Nazis see that they are accepted by community, they
want more and more. Today you let them come to your gig, tomorrow they start
beatin up kids and tell you what you should play and what shouldnt. We need
just to cut their air, make em get back to the underground and suffocate there.
Your song 'FenceWalking ScumFuck' is about punks and other people who still
hang out with nazis and go to shows that they organize and buy their music. Is
this really what people do? Do people just say 'oh i'm not political' and then
hang out with nazis??
Oh, man! There is a countless number of excuses those people are comin with.
They say ‘I’m not into politics’, they say ‘he’s an old friend of mine’, they
say ‘I don’t care that the gig is organized by nazi friendly businessmen, I
just need to see my fav band and relax after a hard day.’ Bitches got lots of
excuses. If even punk rock kids say this crap, you may imagine what other
people say. I wonder if they can tell this shit to the parents of people,
killed or crippled by their nazi friends.
I can’t believe that they are too stupid not to understand
that their apolitical position is nothing but a support of the hate crimes and
they got some big blood spots on their hands. They understand it clearly, but
just dont care. If your friend is a nazi, why dont you try to help him to get
out of that crap. The fact that a person is your friend doesnt make him/her
better than others and doesnt allow him/her to spread ideas of hate and destroy
others’ lives. I had to quit any relations with some people who I knew for
really long. That shit wasnt easy, but I don’t see any other ways. If you cope
with nazi scum, you are not any better than them or even worse, cause they are
the enemies and you’re the traitor and backstabber!
Generally how does the punk scene in Moscow respond to your ideas? Is there a lot of support against the fascists? Are there other anti-fascist bands too?
Yeah, there are people who resist nazi bullshit, who fight Nazis on the
streets, who spread the flyers and other propaganda. But those people are the
minority. There is a lot of shit comin from apolitical persons. Like ‘fuck
those antifa kids, cause they fought Nazis last time, and this time Nazis came
and kicked our ass, though we’re apolitical.’ Its unbelievable, but that’s true
And the majority of people who understand at least something accuse
antifascists of using the same methods that the Nazis use! But these people
never come with any ideas or something. They just bluff around. Its OK to be
nazi here, its not OK to be an antifascist!
Of course it is not just skinheads that is the problem, right? Surely there
are more powerful people and political parties who benefit from this violence
and the anti-foreigner ideas? I heard about parties like Rodina that have very
similar ideas?
Yeah as I’ve said before, there are lots of official organizations, which are
blatantly fascist. But government does nothing about them politicians are
always extremely interested in those right-wing fools and support them here and
there.
What about the situation in Russia under the Soviet Union? Were there no
fascist skinheads, or were they just kept 'under the carpet'? Was there a punk
scene in Soviet Union?
There were no nazi skinheads, but there were patriotic organizations, like
PAMYAT, who actually were blatant nationalist anti-Semitic fuckers. They got
serious support from the Soviet authorities, because anti-Semitism was almost
official in USSR.
There were also some youth subcultures like Lyubera they consisted of some
suburban jocks, organized by Komsomol (communist youth organization) to attack
the first rock gigs and beat down hippies, punks and everybody who looked
anti-Soviet.
How do you feel life in Russia is different now than under Soviet Union? I know it is hard to say, but do you feel now that its better, worse, or just another, different kind of authoritarian and fascist situation?
Its definitely better, because the USSR was a total hell, while in Russia you at least got a chance. Soviet people couldnt leave the country for most it was impossible, today the borders are open, though in some countries they still dont wanna see us. (I don’t blame them, they got their reasons). In the Soviet Union you may get into concentration camp for telling a funny story about some government leader. Even in the end of the Soviet Era people didn't have the right of free speech. And dont forget the hunger, total poverty,
awful conditions of life. Actually, the USSR was nothing but a huge concentration camp, which was trying to threaten his neighbors. So I can’t keep myself from laughing when I see some punk-rockers
sporting soviet symbols. What are they trying to say? That they praise one of the most bloody authoritarian regimes of all time, blatant nationalism, homophobia (according to the Soviet law gay people went straight to jail) and total destruction of anybody who dares to have a brain? And its a shame to see
those commie-kids here in Russia, where their grandparents were exploited, thrown in jails and killed by the sick soviet criminals.
Are you hopeful about the future and about stopping the fascist trend in Russia right now? There seems to be a lot of hard work to do...
Man, I don’t know. The only way is an all-over propaganda. Like when the
antifascist message will become widely spread so that the people who dont care
(the majority of our population) will just follow another trend and will hate
Nazis. But that can be reached only if nazi culture is abolished in every
sphere of every day life. Like when you turn on your TV you see some
antifascist propaganda, you read some trendy authors book and you also see it,
and finally when Mr P himself will says: I hate Nazis- make them bleed! But I
Dont see anything like that coming in the nearest future Patriotism is the
hottest trend of modern Russia and it seems like it gonna stay this way for
pretty long time.
So how can we get in touch with punks in Russia contact them and buy their music? How about if someone from Hong Kong or other places in Asiawants to play shows in Russia?
I guess, only via internet because for most of Russian punks
its still very hard to get out of this country. But look out for fencewalking
suckers and especially bands who were/was on KTR and Neuro-Empire those are the
main nazi-friendly businessmen here. Fuck them!
Anything we can do outside to support the anti-fascist struggle in Russia?
Send us Jackie Chan so he will kick mr Putin in the stomach!
Yes, an enlightening interview with yours truly. Disillusioned Kid brings up the important questions of our time, and we prepare for all worst case scenarios with appropriate abandon. Read till the end, especially if you now want me to interview you.
